Before writing a project you have to decide which framework to follow. Just imagine if you have to create a Struts application without a well managed IDE, it’ll be a hell of difficult things to manage all those XML files and descripters.

The same thing can be done easily on .NET or PHP.

EveryDay, Java is becoming more secure or more paternized but making the life of programmers a hell of difficult.

Java and Ruby solve different problems. Ruby may solve some problems better, but Java also acomplishes that in some others.

Java may have grown overly complex and fat (yeah, its not all wonders, there are problems with it). Ruby, however, isnt the end-all language, not even the “end-Java” language.

I’m not qualified to talk about web development, but i figure Rails does a better job (faster, lighter) than Java in many cases. But Java still got more grounds and “confidence” than RoR.

Ruby ain’t no Java either. And no, i’m not a Java fanboy.

Because far too many Java developers don’t properly understand package level access or packaged in general? Because if they took a typical university CS curriculum over the last several years, they were taught Java in CS I where they were basically told that if they din’t put “public” or “private” in front of their class declaration, it defaults to “some weird thing you don’t understand, but that maybe we’ll get around to teaching one of these days if you’re lucky.”

The second good reason is the Open Source movement itself. Java’s blessing of a plethora of free and open third party libraries is also its curse. It is simply impossible to decide on which Java stack to use. Take Web frameworks as an example - there are already at least 50 and seems like there’s a new one every day. And that’s just web frameworks. If there were a central authority (Rails) dictating how all Web, Middleware, and Persistence frameworks would work, life would me much simpler. But it would also lack the tremendous choice that exists as well.

Mark my words, if and when the Ruby and RoR products mature, they will also become complicated and unapproachable. It’s just the way of things in our business.

http://jroller.com/page/cardsharp?entry=apples_to_oranges

I don’t think the poster was claiming that Ruby invented those things. I think the claim was that Ruby has rejuvinated interest in dynamic languages in general, and I can really see that.

I can’t really say much about Java specifically. I will say that focus on more than the language, inlcuding how that language is going to be used is essential. How can you build something and ignore how it’s going to be used?

That attitude represents something very very wrong.

Now, I have a question for you - can you distinguish whether it is Ruby that is so great, or ROR, or dynamic language based web applications (like django, turbo gears, etc)? Can you make a somewhat objective analysis of when one of these solutions is better for enterprise developers than say Seam or Rife? Comparing the latest in dynamic language web development is only fair if you compare the latest in java web development.

Java wants to be Ruby like Film Making wants to be Flash Banners.

If you’re trying to avoid flames, you should avoid the flame bait.